SAVET by Milos Sarcev

[Pedja_Petrovic]

Evo jedan delic pisanja,;) sa kojim ce mnogi da se oduseve, a mnogima ce neke stvari biti jasnije, a mnogi ce i da se zapitaju oko svega .....UZIVAJTE..↔↔↔

Tokom perioda odmora 12-18% krvi odlazi do mišićnog tkiva u našem telu, dok ostatak protiče po drugim mestima. ► ◄ Dalje, oko 5 litara krvi u našem telu cirkuliše prilično sporo u stanju mirovanja. ✎✎✎
Onog momenta kada postanemo fizički aktivni, tj. kada počnemo koristiti naše skeletne mišiće, naše srce počinje da radi brže, a rezultat toga jeste ubrzani protok krvi u telu.

Pri izvođenju neke fizičke aktivnosti naše telo je u stanju šoka, posebno kada je u pitanju težinski trening, a kao jedna od osnovnih posledica tog stanja jeste uvećani i ubrzani protok krvi upravo ka aktiviranim mišićima. ↔↔↔
Svaka mišićna kontrakcija, svako ponavljanje, serije i svaka vežba uvećavaju potrebu tkiva za krvi. Što je veći intenzitet rada, brži je protok krvi! U ovom periodu za nas su psihološki posmatrano najvažniji mišići, pa ubrzo ostvarujemo optimalni protok krvi u delove tela koji su najviše angažovani – u naše mišiće! ✘ ✘

FOKUSIRAJTE SE NA TO!✎✎✎✎

Ukoliko biste želeli da „nešto“ dopremite do mišića, šta mislite kada je najbolje vreme za to?▲ ↔
Pre treninga, tj. u momentu kada je samo oko 15% krvi prisutno u mišićima? Ili, nakon treninga, kada krv napušta naše mišiće? Ili možda tokom treninga kada je oko 80% krvi upravo u aktiviranim mišićima. Da, upravo u onim mišićima na čijoj izgradnji tako intenzivno radite, dan za danom, nedelju za nedeljom, godinu za godinom...✘ ♒ ↔
Pa, ako imate ovo u vidu, zar vam ne postaje očigledno da upravo taj napredak za kojim toliko žudite možete napraviti upravo ukoliko ispratite ovu logiku? Nauka je uobličila pojam hiperemije, tj. uvećanog dotoka krvi u određeni deo tela, u ovom slučaju u pitanju su naši mišići. Prema studijama, tokom intenzivnog težinskog treninga, dotok krvi u radne mišiće uvećava se za oko 80% uz cirkulaciju bržu i do 20 puta!✘ ♒  ↔

Ukoliko pripremite krvotok pravilno u smislu pravilne ishrane, uz znanje koje nutrijente treba uneti u periodu oko 30 minuta pre treninga koji će raditi u sinergiji sa vašim pićem tokom treninga, stvorićete u krvi izuzetno anaboličko okruženje. Ovo direktno utiče i na nivoe anaboličkih i anti-kataboličkih hormona u vašem telu.
Pa, šta mislite da će se desiti tada? Ne šaljite „osiromašenu“ krv u vaše mišiće jer tako samo gubite vreme!. ✎✎✎. ✎✎✎. ✎✎✎

Miloš Šarčev
www.ogistra-nutrition-shop.com
#ogistra

[Pirat]

to je to , najvaznije vreme uzimanja supsa

[dida]

sta je najbolje uzimati od supsa u tom periodu ?

[Pedja_Petrovic]

sta je najbolje uzimati od supsa u tom periodu ?

BCAA
GLUTAMIN
ARGININ
BETA ALANIN
LEUCIN (pojacati BCAA)

ovisno o dubini DZEPA,tj pojedinca,formira se protokol

[VOJA.S]

Naravno, cela stvar odavno poznata sto na forumu, sto u svetu,Pedja dokazao itd.itd. E sad odakle ovakve tvrdnje, radi se u konkretnom slucaju o  Aragonu i PubMedu.Da ne pomisli neko da sumnjam u Miskove i Pedjine tvrdje, samo me interesuje odakle ovo...



''Hey everyone, a frequently recurring topic is BCAA supplementation. A lot of folks are simply unaware of the actual data, so they needlessly waste their hard-earned cash on BCAA supps. This might not be music to the ears of folks locked in a routine of taking their favorite supp, but my hope is that it gives some of you food for thought, and ultimately helps you zap an unnecessary (and potentially detrimental) item from your supplement shopping list.
The high-quality proteins in our diets are comprised of appx 18-26% BCAA as it is. Supplementing with extra BCAA on top of that can range from adding extra unnecessary calories (and metabolic burden), to actually inhibiting optimal use of ingested amino acids [1].
Let me also add that whey protein has a stronger anabolic/anticatabolic effect than its equivalent in supplemental EAA or BCAA [2]. It's no surprise that supplemental BCAA has an equivocal track record in the research [3,4]. For those concerned about "going catabolic" doing fasted cardio without AA supplementation, my colleagues and I found no difference in body comp effects between fed vs fasted cardio when total protein is sufficient (both groups retained their LBM) [5]. As for the ability of BCAA to inhibit muscle soreness, note that this is always compared to a non-protein placebo.
It's LOL to supp with BCAA to begin with (instead of an intact, high-quality protein such as whey, which provides the rest of the EAAs as well as other co-factors for anabolism -- but it's all moot if you're getting enough total daily protein anyway). Here’s a salient quote from a recent review [6]:
"Thus, as we speculated, consumption of crystalline BCAA resulted in competitive antagonism for uptake from the gut and into the muscle and was actually not as effective as leucine alone in stimulating MPS. Despite the popularity of BCAA supplements we find shockingly little evidence for their efficacy in promoting MPS or lean mass gains and would advise the use of intact proteins as opposed to a purified combination of BCAA that appear to antagonize each other in terms of transport both into circulation and likely in to the muscle.”
The only people who are not wasting time & money on supplemental BCAA are those who must maintain a low-protein diet, or a diet with restricted amounts of high-quality protein. With that all said, if your total daily protein is optimized, and you don't mind consuming the functional equivalent of really expensive flavored water [7], then be my guest.  ''

[Stevan Čerubdžić]

To je dobro poznato, da pogotovo taj deo americke populacije zagovara protiv suplemenata izjavama da proovi uopste ni ne konzumiraju praskove blabla....
Poenta je da to nije tacno i iako ima bcaa tragova u hrani nista ne moze da zameni leucin iz bcaa praska ni blizu tj ne moze da zameni, pogotovo za ljude koji su online...Tako da da prica da ako si online ne treba ti suplementacija je budalastina...tek tad ti treba suplementacija i zato sam pio po 100grama BCAA dnevno i to je bilo sve samo ne nepotrebne kalorije tako da to sto oni pricaju jer verovatno iz neke licne koristi ili ko zna cega
Bcaa treba i treba uvek.

[NPP]

Najbolji i najkorisniji suplement ikada je bcaa, samo pogoditi odnos. Pre, u toku i posle treninga

[Pirat]

The only people who are not wasting time & money on supplemental BCAA are those who must maintain a low-protein diet

[VOJA.S]

To je dobro poznato, da pogotovo taj deo americke populacije zagovara protiv suplemenata izjavama da proovi uopste ni ne konzumiraju praskove blabla....
Poenta je da to nije tacno i iako ima bcaa tragova u hrani nista ne moze da zameni leucin iz bcaa praska ni blizu tj ne moze da zameni, pogotovo za ljude koji su online...Tako da da prica da ako si online ne treba ti suplementacija je budalastina...tek tad ti treba suplementacija i zato sam pio po 100grama BCAA dnevno i to je bilo sve samo ne nepotrebne kalorije tako da to sto oni pricaju jer verovatno iz neke licne koristi ili ko zna cega
Bcaa treba i treba uvek.

E pa bas zbog toga sam i stavio ovo a posebno ova tvoja poslednja recenica sto se tice licne koristi,ameri su to.

[Pirat]

ima si ti tracak sumnje , nemoj sad ..

[Stevan Čerubdžić]

Pa da, velika je razlika.... Imao sam tracak sumnje naravno zato sam i probao licno na sebi jer sebe smatram kao najbolju laboratorisjku pacovcinu
Isti slucaj kao i kada sam pisao za ellu i micelarni kazein. to je to ali i nije to to jbg...tako i belanca i leucin iz praska...moze da odradi poso ali da li ce biti isti poso e tu vec lezi zec pirate

[VOJA.S]

ima si ti tracak sumnje , nemoj sad ..

Hvala Bogu piratski da svi imaju tracak ili vise sumnje u nesto, zato probas  i vidis..

[Pirat]

ima si ti tracak sumnje , nemoj sad ..

Hvala Bogu piratski da svi imaju tracak ili vise sumnje u nesto, zato probas  i vidis..

samo sto si ti vec to probao leucin u bcca tu igra kljucnu ulogu , sad ne znam koliko se to oseti na masi pogotovo natural, tacnije ne oseti se nista hahaha, ali na definiciji...

[Pedja_Petrovic]

ima si ti tracak sumnje , nemoj sad ..

samo kada ga ti nemas hahahhahahahahahahah

[Pedja_Petrovic]

Naravno, cela stvar odavno poznata sto na forumu, sto u svetu,Pedja dokazao itd.itd. E sad odakle ovakve tvrdnje, radi se u konkretnom slucaju o  Aragonu i PubMedu.Da ne pomisli neko da sumnjam u Miskove i Pedjine tvrdje, samo me interesuje odakle ovo...



''Hey everyone, a frequently recurring topic is BCAA supplementation. A lot of folks are simply unaware of the actual data, so they needlessly waste their hard-earned cash on BCAA supps. This might not be music to the ears of folks locked in a routine of taking their favorite supp, but my hope is that it gives some of you food for thought, and ultimately helps you zap an unnecessary (and potentially detrimental) item from your supplement shopping list.
The high-quality proteins in our diets are comprised of appx 18-26% BCAA as it is. Supplementing with extra BCAA on top of that can range from adding extra unnecessary calories (and metabolic burden), to actually inhibiting optimal use of ingested amino acids [1].
Let me also add that whey protein has a stronger anabolic/anticatabolic effect than its equivalent in supplemental EAA or BCAA [2]. It's no surprise that supplemental BCAA has an equivocal track record in the research [3,4]. For those concerned about "going catabolic" doing fasted cardio without AA supplementation, my colleagues and I found no difference in body comp effects between fed vs fasted cardio when total protein is sufficient (both groups retained their LBM) [5]. As for the ability of BCAA to inhibit muscle soreness, note that this is always compared to a non-protein placebo.
It's LOL to supp with BCAA to begin with (instead of an intact, high-quality protein such as whey, which provides the rest of the EAAs as well as other co-factors for anabolism -- but it's all moot if you're getting enough total daily protein anyway). Here’s a salient quote from a recent review [6]:
"Thus, as we speculated, consumption of crystalline BCAA resulted in competitive antagonism for uptake from the gut and into the muscle and was actually not as effective as leucine alone in stimulating MPS. Despite the popularity of BCAA supplements we find shockingly little evidence for their efficacy in promoting MPS or lean mass gains and would advise the use of intact proteins as opposed to a purified combination of BCAA that appear to antagonize each other in terms of transport both into circulation and likely in to the muscle.”
The only people who are not wasting time & money on supplemental BCAA are those who must maintain a low-protein diet, or a diet with restricted amounts of high-quality protein. With that all said, if your total daily protein is optimized, and you don't mind consuming the functional equivalent of really expensive flavored water [7], then be my guest.  ''

Stevan ti je sve odg
a ono sto cu ti ja reci
da pogledas KO JE NAPISAO i onda ces shvatiti ZBOG CEGA
Na tim sjatovima vise nisu u mogucnosti da filtriraju bilo sta druze
Ovo su gluposti bez RECENZIJA

Mogu da skinem clanak i pogledam ali vec u samom abstraktu fali mi navodjenje "p vrednosti" sto je statisticki pokazatelj da li je istrazivanje uradjeno korektno.  Tekstovi na sajtovima se u ovom slucaju rangiraju  na osnovu impakt faktora - ovaj ima vrlo nizak (ispod 3 sto je vrlo malo).

Tako da.
Na Sprski, ovo je pisala neka jajara koja ima prostup ovakvim sajtovima i zabole ga kurac- on je debil svoje istresao, tj verovatno isfrustiran sopstvenim neuspehom, logicno je da krivca mora da trazi- nasao ga je u suplementima.

Ili
postoji druga mogucnost da je dobio lovu, mada je za to verovatnoca dosta manja.Ali postoji