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« Odgovor #30 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2010, 10:17:48 posle podne »
Na fakultetu smo ucili minamata bolest.
A kako se moze zaraditi tako sto neko kaze da tunjevina ima zivu, da li taj covek bavi veleprodajom druge ribe pa da ukloni konkurenciju ?

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« Odgovor #31 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2010, 10:52:31 posle podne »
Druze SVAKA riba ima zivu...sad skoro je radjena neka studija da svako meso i bilje u okolini ne znam kog kontinenta je PUNO zive i vise nego u tuni.....a ja ne znam ko moze da se prezdere tune...
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« Odgovor #32 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2010, 11:05:37 posle podne »
Koliko sam ja gledao istrazivanja sabljarka u tuna imaju najvise zive , i da ima svaka onda je logicnije jesti onu koja ima manje.
Postavi istrazivanje da znam koje to meso ima vise ?
Ako se ziva akumulira u ribi i mesu onda se akumulira i u nama sto onda ne bi pazili sta jedemo, makar da jedemo ono meso i ribu koja ima manje zive i teskih metala u sebi?
Nisi mi odgovorio za marketing, kako neko moze da zaradi tako sto kaze da ne treba cesto jesti tunjevinu jer ima zivu (hocu ja da zaradim posto i ja to kazem :) ) ?

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« Odgovor #33 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2010, 11:25:25 posle podne »
Moze naprimer kompanija koja proizvodi Lososa  (ribu koja je jako skupa a navodno nema zive)... glup primer koji odgovara pitanju, a pitanje je izuzetno glupo
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« Odgovor #34 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2010, 11:41:28 posle podne »
Pusti se ti kvalifikacija mojih pitanja.
Zakljucili smo da se ziva akumulira u zivim bicima i da ziva ima posledice sto je ocigledan primer toliko stradalih i obolelih od bolesti minamato, verovatno posto vidim to ne spominjes.
To istrazivanje koje si naveo, ne postoji ili ces postaviti link?
Znaci ako neko kaze da ne jedes cesto tunjevinu i ljudi to prihvate, onda oni odmah prelaze i kupuju lososa od neke kompanije, nece kupiti nijednu drugu ribu koja ima manje zive?
Ajde da kazemo i da je tako kao sto si napisao, mada u praksi je ne moguce, ali ako neko ko nema kompaniju koja se bavi proizvodnjom ili prodajom ribe, npr. lekar ti kaze nemoj da jedes toliko tunjevine ima zive naskodice ti. Kako on moze da zaradi na takvoj preporuci?

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« Odgovor #35 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2010, 12:52:19 pre podne »
druze ne gubi se minamato se javljao u japanu il kini tamo kada se iz fabrike izlilo neko **** i to nema apsolutno veze sa zivom IZ TUNJEVINE ,koja je minimalno opasna...
u ostalom nemoj ti meni da skreces sa teme,reci ti MENI jedan primer i link gde pise d je lik umro od tune
ne kazem ja da ne postoji potencijalna opasnost...nego da umerenim kolicinama nemoze da skodi...a ovde se generalizuje ,ja ne znam dal neko jede vise od jedne tune dnevno ako i toliko
« Poslednja izmena: Oktobar 05, 2010, 12:55:19 pre podne Matt »
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« Odgovor #36 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2010, 07:59:31 pre podne »
Minamata je mesto u Japanu, gde je fabrika koja se nalazi u tom mestu izbacivala zivu u more. Stanovnistvo u Minamata se bavilo ribarstvom, 2000 ljudi je umrlo od trovanja zivom i to nisu umrli istog dana vec je to islo s vremenom, 10000 ljudi je imalo ili ima zdravstvene probleme izazvane trovanjem zivom a posledice se i dalje osecaju u tom mestu. Veca koncentracija zive ali i drugih metala ostavljaju posledice po organizam, jer ziva i drugi teski metali veoma lako zamene molekul vodonika u jedinjenjima i onda nastaju problemi.
Niko ne govori o smrti, to si ti pomenuo ako neko nadje na internetu da je bilo ko umro od trovanja zivom tako sto je jeo ribu da ces da umuknes, pa kako sam o tome ucio eto postavio sam. Pored smrti trovanje zivom moze izazvati citav spisak drugih problema i to veoma male kolicine zive, npr evo najprostijih slabija koncentracija, depresija, problemi sa bubrezima, neuromuskularni problemi.
Umereno kod unosa tunjevine je kao sto je oktagon naveo, jednom nedeljno maksimum, a npr Dr Ross kaze jednu mesecno maksimum. Ali niko ne kaze jedi koliko hoces, vec svi kazu najbolje jedi drugu ribu a ako vec jedes tunjevinu onda maksimum jedna konzerva nedeljno.
Primer,  trudnicama je strogo zabranjeno da jedu tunjevinu.
 
A kao sto smo zakljucili:
-ziva se akumulira u organizmu
-ziva moze dovesti do smrti
-ziva izaziva citav spektar zdravstvenih problema, i manifestacije idu od bubreznih do neuroloskih problema
- ne mozes zaraditi pare tako sto kazes nekome da ne jede tunjevinu

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« Odgovor #37 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2010, 08:14:19 posle podne »
Pa da FABRIKA je izbacivala ZIVU..i zato su se trovali ... A NE OD TUNE...znachi FABRIKA je napravila sranje a ne tuna...

ok idemo dalje



The Mercury policy Project knows very well that canned tuna has been for decades America’s favorite seafood. So when they direct a campaign against tuna, they know that they will get the full attention of the American press. How different it would be if they would issue a press release on some less popular fresh water fish, heavily loaded with mercury. Hardly anybody would be publish it, and their organization and their issues would get minimum exposure.
In the past also some dolphin protection groups supported a mercury-in-tuna campaign, because they believed it could enable them to reduce or stop the import of large yellowfin tuna which are often associated in the Eastern Pacific Ocean with dolphins.

hat I find most frustrating is that the whole assumption that mercury in tuna causes toxic effects with humans is hardly based on facts. The facts – scientific evidence – show exactly opposite – here below some conclusions of scientific studies :

-    Methyl Mercury has been in the ocean environment for millions of years

-    The main source of methyl mercury in tuna is not pollution, but most likely coming from natural hydrothermal vents and deep ocean sediments.

-    The amount of methyl mercury in yellowfin tuna has not risen over the last 27 years, while the mercury pollution of the oceans has risen 26 %.

-    Large tuna do not swim in coastal surface waters mostly affected by mercury pollution, but are swimming at depths of 75 to 100 meters deep at the high seas.

-    Man has been eating tuna for millions of years, often daily and in large portions.

-    Never any evidence has been revealed that our tuna-eating forefathers suffered from brain damage, because of tuna consumption.

-    About 60 % of the tuna consumed and canned in the world is skipjack – small tuna with a very low level of mercury.

-    A grown up man needs to eat about 3 cans of yellowfin or albacore tuna – weekly – year around - to be theoretically be affected by methyl mercury.

-    Even if people would consume so much tuna and be affected by it, then still the mercury would disappear from their body within the year, leaving no bad effects.

-    There have been no people found in the world who have been scientifically proven to be suffering from mercury poisoning from tuna ( only in Japan once after a spill by a mercury plant in coastal waters)

-    In the Seychelles 779 mother- infant pairs who consumed an average of 12 fish meals (also tuna) a week were intensively monitored and no sign of any neuro- developmental risk could be found.

-    There has been no scientific evidence of any children in the USA or elsewhere with neuro-developmental problems due to tuna consumption (not even a claim law suit !)

-    There is growing evidence that tuna does not contain the toxic compound methyl mercury chloride, but much less toxic methyl mercury cysteine.

-    In the USA out of every 100 food related deaths, less then 1 person dies because of food unsafety ( food poisoning, toxic food etc). The other 99 die because of unhealthy food, or wrong eating habits.

-    The USA has currently 293 million inhabitants, and has yearly 6.3 million pregnancies, resulting in almost 4 million births. This means new born babies are 1.36% of the American population ( how many of these mothers consume 1-2 cans a week ?)

-    Average U.S tuna consumption per capita is yearly 1.6 kgs or about 10 cans of tuna per year ( how much is that daily ??)

-    Japanese research shows that those who consume fish DAILY have the highest life expectancy ( average 85.2 for females and 78.1 years for males)

Based on this information, I believe it is better to look at the advisory of the American Heart Association to eat at least 3 seafood meals per week to prevent heart disease, the country’s no: 1 cause of death. The Heart Association especially promotes tuna which is high in Omega –3 and DHA. Libraries full of scientific reports support that statement.

Therefore labeling – as is now obligated for fresh tuna steaks in some U.S states – that a high consumption of tuna is harmful to pregnant mothers and their unborn babies as well as infants, could have a strong adverse effect on the American health.

It is hard to believe that the environmental groups, and some state officials pushing the mercury issue in the U.S press and government are really concerned with the health of the majority of the American people. It seems the result of their pressure on the FDA and the press exposure will be that many new-borns and their young parents will be taught to look at tuna with lots of suspicion, and will be forced to turn to less healthy alternatives instead. This way an extremely healthy and very environmental friendly form of food is taken away from future generations. Sadly the effects will likely be seen in more food related deaths – but definitely not to mercury in tuna !!

 MOLIM Te ne trazi mi vise studija jer nasao sam milion,kao sto i ti mozes da nadjes milion da ne valja... Jednostavno to su zasebna misljenja i kako kom odgovara genetski... ISTO kao i prica za holesterol i jaja..im done
« Poslednja izmena: Oktobar 05, 2010, 08:17:03 posle podne Matt »
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« Odgovor #38 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2010, 08:42:20 posle podne »
Ziva je izbacivana u more,  stanovnistvo se prvenstveno bavilo ribarstvom i hranilo ribom, tako je i ziva dosla do ljudi.

Ovo nije istrazivanje niti studija ovo je kopiran clanak bez ikakvih navoda istrazivanja ili studija na koje se poziva, ovako nesto moze svako da napise.

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« Odgovor #39 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2010, 09:16:22 posle podne »
Jao brate mili,Neverovatno....A jbg upravo sam pojeo 2tune i umirem od toksikacije da ne mogu dalje da kucam i da se raspravljam...









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« Odgovor #40 poslato: Oktobar 11, 2010, 09:50:45 pre podne »
za 8 meseci wtf ?????  ljubomoran sam !! ;D
p.s svaka cast !
Hvala BBML ;)

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« Odgovor #41 poslato: Oktobar 13, 2010, 08:27:57 pre podne »
Evo i ledja slikano juce u gym-u


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« Odgovor #42 poslato: Oktobar 13, 2010, 11:07:47 pre podne »
Evo i ledja slikano juce u gym-u


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svaka cast!
Ubijam se od HEMIJE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Odgovor #43 poslato: Oktobar 13, 2010, 11:34:49 pre podne »
Odlicno!! :)

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« Odgovor #44 poslato: Oktobar 13, 2010, 08:58:41 posle podne »
Lepo ... kako cudno vidi ti se donja insercija latisimusa a kako ide na gore malo je pljosnatiji...mogu da se zakunem da je u 99% slucajeva obratno...popuni malo gornji deo i bice extra!! dosta rowinga tj veslanja cepaj u svim varijantama!!
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